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A Pizza DAO member pulls out the smallest Android phone on the market and makes an argument for it that has nothing to do with size. The whole point is that it is bad at the internet.

The phone is a Unihertz Jelly Star, and he wants the company to survive: “People should buy this because I want this company to stay in business.” He runs through the specs cheerfully, and then the actual pitch. “It doesn’t work for scrolling content. So I can’t doom scroll on Reddit. I can’t browse crypto Twitter.” His conclusion is the honest one: “It makes a phone less addicting and less interesting.”

But he still gets sent links, so he needs a way to move text between his devices. Signal is the obvious answer and Signal has a hard limit: “You can only link five devices. If I have more than five devices, I literally can’t link all my devices through Signal even if I wanted to.” The alternatives all mean another account, another login, another cloud server.

So he wrote his own. A browser plugin that syncs text peer to peer between every instance, no cloud storage, using only a lightweight relay whose job is introductions rather than custody: “It never stores your data, it just helps devices make connections to each other.” Because it is a browser extension rather than an app, it installs on the tiny phone too.

He bought it eighteen months ago to spend less time on the internet, and mentions a second benefit that gives the whole thing away: it is better for cycling, because of the pocket space.

The line he leaves with the interviewer is a small indictment: “This will make you realise how much screen space you’re wasting.”

And his message, which is aimed squarely at hardware engineers: make another small phone, because this one has a headphone jack and nothing else good does. Filmed on an iPad, from the floor.

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0:00AThis is the smallest Android phone you can get. The Unihertz Jelly Star, people should buy this because I want this company to stay in business.

0:09BWhat’s it called?

0:10AThe Unihertz Jelly Star, it says it right here, like a little Unihertz.

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0:15BOkay, Unihertz Jelly Star.

0:18AYeah, they even make weird phones. They’re doing all kinds of cool stuff, but this is one of the phones. It’s basically It’s the smallest Android phone. It’s got Android 13, 8 gigs of RAM. It’s like pretty solid phone, but it doesn’t work for scrolling content. So I can’t do scroll on Reddit. I can’t like browse crypto Twitter. I can’t go on Facebook. Well, you can, but you can barely see it. Yeah, but it works just well enough to use Signal and Uber. Yeah, it’s not fun. It makes a phone less addicting and less interesting.

1:00BYeah, it’s less dopamine. It’s less immersive. Yeah,

1:05Abut when I do get a link, I do want to read, which inevitably happens, but I have to send it to myself. and primarily I use Signal note to self and that works except the downside of Signal is for instance you can only link five devices so if I have more than five devices I can’t I literally can’t link all my devices through Signal even if I wanted to right and then so you have to either create other messenger accounts you use email it’s all really complicated involves having an email having a login having a cloud server But, so there’s better tech for this. You can just do pure peer-to-peer.

1:30ASo I wrote a browser plug-in that will peer-to-peer sync text data between all the instances. Yeah, and because it’s a browser plug-in, I can just install this as a plug-in in the browser of this tiny little phone. And you don’t need a full Android app.

2:07BYeah, the Miracle

2:13Apeer-to-peer. You don’t need a cloud server. You can just connect your devices. Well, you do. You need what’s called a relay server, but that’s a bit different. It’s a much lighter weight. It never stores your data. It just helps devices make connections to each other. Yeah, this is the phone.

2:35Bso when did you get this?

2:37Aa year and a half ago it’s made 18 months it’s like fairly durable spend less time on the internet it’s also amazing if you just like biking biking right like if I ride a bike everywhere you just have that much more pocket space this will make you realize though like how much screen you’re wasting like I can do everything on this phone you you have like some gigantic thing it’s like you’re wasting the screen but yeah maybe oh no this is all I have phones yeah make another small phone hardware engineers like I want another four-inch like mini phone they made me competition like this is the only one like it’s sad we’re not the only one but it’s like the only good one with a headphone jack yeah this has a headphone jack which all your big phones don’t have

3:51Byeah yeah

3:57A256 gigabytes yeah does all the Magical Things.

4:03BIs there a wallet in here?

4:07AYou could. I don’t put any crypto on this. That’s a bad idea. It’s like a hardware wallet. But you could, you can, any like phone wallet, you can run on here. You can do all your crypto. Do

4:18Byou want to see if you made up in your mirror? Do you want to interview it? What the?

4:21AI don’t interview people, but you should go for it.

4:31BOne day I said I did I’m gonna pass, but

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